Which would you buy V50 or V70? - Page 6

Rocinante · Mar 1st, 2023, 12:06

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Originally Posted by cogs

The folding front seat is brilliant, If only ever come across it on Vovlos and it is so handy. I've often been to collect some long length of something and if the store person is a non Volvo-er, they look at the V40 and say where your roof rack, you'll never get that in there, then I fold the front seat over and they say, that's a bloody good idea why don't other cars do that.
When I ran my Avensis it was one great feature I missed.

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think on newer models, it was getting phased out ?

See discussion:
https://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showthread.php?t=283308

cogs · Mar 2nd, 2023, 11:30

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Originally Posted by Rocinante

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think on newer models, it was getting phased out ?

See discussion:
https://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showthread.php?t=283308

Looks like they might not all do it then, the V40 we've had do but there all manual seats. Certainly something I'm going to be looking for.

Turbodave · Mar 13th, 2023, 16:21

I'd agree with what Nick wrote previously and that there is no "correct" answer here... aside for the one you deem to be correct as you and only you know what you want, need and like so I think it'd be a case of drawing up a list of what you want / need and then if you're still torn between the two models, have a drive in a couple of examples of each and see how you get on.

My 2p worth... I've had 7 P2 V70's over the past decade ranging from a Geartronic T-5 to a manual V70R and a few diesels in both 163bhp and 185bhp guise. My lasting memory is that they are absolutely not as solid, reliable, rot proof and bomb proof as many like to think. All of my Geartronic cars developed issues with flaring, shunting and general bi-polar behaviour. I'd have another Geartronic box but only to use as an anchor.

They are a premium car but they aren't the most robust... the drivers seats on all of mine looked tired by 150k, they all had random trims squeaks and rattles and all of them had issues ranging from serious one's like gearbox failures to electrical gremlins or in the case of the V70R, pretty much everything that could go wrong did go wrong. And it was a good car to start with. Yes, most were worked hard and granted none failed me... well, not completely but I didn't leave the experience think "Wow, what a machine!!" and instead left thinking "It's an old, complex, heavy Volvo and not exempt from issues. Heavy things to drive too. My wife hated them. All of them.

So on to the V50 and the "it's a Ford / not a real Volvo" stuff. Whilst all of the above was going on, so say about 7yrs worth of buying, running, getting fed up and selling P2 V70's... in the back ground, quietly doing its thing with little cause for drama was my V50. Granted it's an 07 plate 2.0 diesel, that French engine'd nonsense but that French engine'd nonsense is approaching 250k and as far as issues go, wear and tear aside... it's had the CEM cleaned, an oil pressure switch and a vacuum hose replaced. And trust me, it gets no love at all. My wife loves it - it's not vast, it drives lovely, it's lighter and much more modern feeling and I have zero desire to change it.

And, on the subject of Ford based imposters... I also have an 08 plate XC70, just run in and all that garbage at 250k as well. Yes it's also a diesel and no it get's no love in the slightest. It's my wifes daily, ferry's the kids, gets treated with utter contempt and she adores it too. It's massive, but it hides its sheer bulk by being quite light to drive and dare I say it, actually quite nice to hustle along. Yes, I concede some of the switch gear is iffy and it's a bit dry looking underneath but it's yet to structurally collapse around the front struts... I'm looking at you P2 V70's. I've put 50k on it in a little over 2 years and aside for wear and tear and a couple of used door locks... it's wanted for nothing.

The real eye opener for me is that these two with nigh on 250k a piece, abused and unloved, tested to destruction by wife, kids and me not caring... are showing next to now interior issues at all. Yes there's smashed bits of trim around the boot but the seats are spot on, there's no rattles or creaks, everything works and I can't say the same about the P2 cars I had. Where am I going with this... probably that these days, a P2 is still a lovely thing if it's a good one but I fear their age / complexity and general bulk means they're maybe less suited to your average daily driver and that the newer era cars are possibly just a bit more user friendly in the real world and need a bit less care...? That's certainly my findings but as said, I think you need to do your own investigations and the only way you'll know for sure is to have a drive... any car can fail, that's luck or a lack of it but only you'll know what you're happy to live with day to day as far as model, spec etc etc goes.

cogs · May 18th, 2023, 11:11

Well I'm still looking for a new motor and I'm really grateful for all the above advice/opinions. I've found two cars I'm going to look at tomorrow and considering what I've said in the past you might think this is strange but I've had to broaden my options.
First car is a 07 V50 D5 2.4 geartronic, every V50 I've seen so far has had an electronic handbrake, I can't stand these things but this one has a manual handbrake. I have no idea if the engine is ford or Volvo but I know to check for regular transmission oil changes but not sure on the frequency. Is this a turbo engine ?

Second car (dedicated Volvo fans read no further) Ford Mondeo 2.0 tdci, though I've still got to determine if it's a power shift or not? and research problems with them.

Tannaton · May 18th, 2023, 15:31

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Originally Posted by cogs

Well I'm still looking for a new motor and I'm really grateful for all the above advice/opinions. I've found two cars I'm going to look at tomorrow and considering what I've said in the past you might think this is strange but I've had to broaden my options.
First car is a 07 V50 D5 2.4 geartronic, every V50 I've seen so far has had an electronic handbrake, I can't stand these things but this one has a manual handbrake. I have no idea if the engine is ford or Volvo but I know to check for regular transmission oil changes but not sure on the frequency. Is this a turbo engine ?

Second car (dedicated Volvo fans read no further) Ford Mondeo 2.0 tdci, though I've still got to determine if it's a power shift or not? and research problems with them.

All V50's have manual handbrakes. Are you thinking of V60's? The D5 is the best turbo diesel engine.... :-)

griston64 · May 18th, 2023, 16:06

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Originally Posted by cogs

Well I'm still looking for a new motor and I'm really grateful for all the above advice/opinions. I've found two cars I'm going to look at tomorrow and considering what I've said in the past you might think this is strange but I've had to broaden my options.
First car is a 07 V50 D5 2.4 geartronic, every V50 I've seen so far has had an electronic handbrake, I can't stand these things but this one has a manual handbrake. I have no idea if the engine is ford or Volvo but I know to check for regular transmission oil changes but not sure on the frequency. Is this a turbo engine ?

Second car (dedicated Volvo fans read no further) Ford Mondeo 2.0 tdci, though I've still got to determine if it's a power shift or not? and research problems with them.

Mondeo is a good car and shares lots of parts with the V70 P3. The Mondeo will have more room inside and handle better but doesn't have a D5 engine sadly

cogs · May 18th, 2023, 16:09

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Originally Posted by Tannaton

All V50's have manual handbrakes. Are you thinking of V60's? The D5 is the best turbo diesel engine.... :-)

I might well be, I've looked at and research that many cars I'm in used car overload. I hate buy cars.

I've read a lot about dpf problems on diesel, one reason I was going for petrol but there aren't many around.

Is the D5 known for dpf problems?

griston64 · May 18th, 2023, 16:19

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Originally Posted by cogs

I might well be, I've looked at and research that many cars I'm in used car overload. I hate buy cars.

I've read a lot about dpf problems on diesel, one reason I was going for petrol but there aren't many around.

Is the D5 known for dpf problems?

Pretty certain the D5 has never had DPF issues in P3 V70's

Tannaton · May 18th, 2023, 18:05

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Originally Posted by cogs

I might well be, I've looked at and research that many cars I'm in used car overload. I hate buy cars.

I've read a lot about dpf problems on diesel, one reason I was going for petrol but there aren't many around.

Is the D5 known for dpf problems?

The Volvo D5 has the most reliable DPF system of just about any diesel car....

Tannaton · May 18th, 2023, 18:06

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Originally Posted by griston64

Mondeo is a good car and shares lots of parts with the V70 P3. The Mondeo will have more room inside and handle better but doesn't have a D5 engine sadly

I wouldn't agree the Mundano would handle better than a V50...

Mar 13th, 2023, 16:21	#53
Turbodave VOC Member Last Online: Yesterday 21:59 Join Date: May 2011 Location: Fife	I'd agree with what Nick wrote previously and that there is no "correct" answer here... aside for the one you deem to be correct as you and only you know what you want, need and like so I think it'd be a case of drawing up a list of what you want / need and then if you're still torn between the two models, have a drive in a couple of examples of each and see how you get on. My 2p worth... I've had 7 P2 V70's over the past decade ranging from a Geartronic T-5 to a manual V70R and a few diesels in both 163bhp and 185bhp guise. My lasting memory is that they are absolutely not as solid, reliable, rot proof and bomb proof as many like to think. All of my Geartronic cars developed issues with flaring, shunting and general bi-polar behaviour. I'd have another Geartronic box but only to use as an anchor. They are a premium car but they aren't the most robust... the drivers seats on all of mine looked tired by 150k, they all had random trims squeaks and rattles and all of them had issues ranging from serious one's like gearbox failures to electrical gremlins or in the case of the V70R, pretty much everything that could go wrong did go wrong. And it was a good car to start with. Yes, most were worked hard and granted none failed me... well, not completely but I didn't leave the experience think "Wow, what a machine!!" and instead left thinking "It's an old, complex, heavy Volvo and not exempt from issues. Heavy things to drive too. My wife hated them. All of them. So on to the V50 and the "it's a Ford / not a real Volvo" stuff. Whilst all of the above was going on, so say about 7yrs worth of buying, running, getting fed up and selling P2 V70's... in the back ground, quietly doing its thing with little cause for drama was my V50. Granted it's an 07 plate 2.0 diesel, that French engine'd nonsense but that French engine'd nonsense is approaching 250k and as far as issues go, wear and tear aside... it's had the CEM cleaned, an oil pressure switch and a vacuum hose replaced. And trust me, it gets no love at all. My wife loves it - it's not vast, it drives lovely, it's lighter and much more modern feeling and I have zero desire to change it. And, on the subject of Ford based imposters... I also have an 08 plate XC70, just run in and all that garbage at 250k as well. Yes it's also a diesel and no it get's no love in the slightest. It's my wifes daily, ferry's the kids, gets treated with utter contempt and she adores it too. It's massive, but it hides its sheer bulk by being quite light to drive and dare I say it, actually quite nice to hustle along. Yes, I concede some of the switch gear is iffy and it's a bit dry looking underneath but it's yet to structurally collapse around the front struts... I'm looking at you P2 V70's. I've put 50k on it in a little over 2 years and aside for wear and tear and a couple of used door locks... it's wanted for nothing. The real eye opener for me is that these two with nigh on 250k a piece, abused and unloved, tested to destruction by wife, kids and me not caring... are showing next to now interior issues at all. Yes there's smashed bits of trim around the boot but the seats are spot on, there's no rattles or creaks, everything works and I can't say the same about the P2 cars I had. Where am I going with this... probably that these days, a P2 is still a lovely thing if it's a good one but I fear their age / complexity and general bulk means they're maybe less suited to your average daily driver and that the newer era cars are possibly just a bit more user friendly in the real world and need a bit less care...? That's certainly my findings but as said, I think you need to do your own investigations and the only way you'll know for sure is to have a drive... any car can fail, that's luck or a lack of it but only you'll know what you're happy to live with day to day as far as model, spec etc etc goes.

May 18th, 2023, 11:11	#54
cogs Member Last Online: Jun 26th, 2024 10:29 Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Lincs.	Well I'm still looking for a new motor and I'm really grateful for all the above advice/opinions. I've found two cars I'm going to look at tomorrow and considering what I've said in the past you might think this is strange but I've had to broaden my options. First car is a 07 V50 D5 2.4 geartronic, every V50 I've seen so far has had an electronic handbrake, I can't stand these things but this one has a manual handbrake. I have no idea if the engine is ford or Volvo but I know to check for regular transmission oil changes but not sure on the frequency. Is this a turbo engine ? Second car (dedicated Volvo fans read no further) Ford Mondeo 2.0 tdci, though I've still got to determine if it's a power shift or not? and research problems with them.

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